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July 25, 2023 at 9:15 am #40313
Julie Sumwalt
ParticipantHi,
Would the (st) contraction be used in “Kingston”, or the (sh) contraction be used in “Wilhelmshaven”? I’m guessing yes for Kingston and no for Wilhelmshaven, but I would like confirmation or correction.
Julie
July 25, 2023 at 10:17 am #40314Angela Van Appelen
ModeratorHi Julie,
Yes you can use the st contraction in Kingston and sh contraction in Wilhelmshaven.
(ICEB) Rule 10.4.1 use the strong groupsign wherever the letters it represents occur unless other rules limit its use.
Page 109-111 (ICEB)
July 26, 2023 at 9:31 am #40316Julie Sumwalt
ParticipantWhat about 10.11.12, about the aspirated h? I assume “Wilhelmshaven” is not pronounced “–shaven”.
Julie
August 30, 2023 at 12:30 pm #40407Julie Sumwalt
ParticipantWhat do you think of my question on “Wilhelmshaven”?
Julie
September 8, 2023 at 10:37 am #40436Julie Sumwalt
ParticipantHi,
I’m still wondering about contracting “Wilhelmshaven”. I assume it’s pronounced “Wil-helms-haven” or “Wil-elms-haven”, which would mean the (sh) contraction would not be used. Can you confirm or explain?
Julie
September 11, 2023 at 1:25 pm #40441JanaBrailles
ModeratorHi Julie,
Sorry for the delay. Notifications apparently are not working for me and Angela has been offline with some medical issues.
In digging a little deeper into this matter, I went and found the name Wilhelmshaven, which is a town in Germany. I found a number of listings for American pronunciation of this word, and it sounds like vil·helmz·haa·fn. According to RUEB, 2nd Edition, 2013, ForeignLanguage, Rule 13.2.3: Use UEB contrcations in words, phrases, proper names and personal titles which are regarded as anglicised. However, do not use a contraction that would unduly distort the pronunciation or structure of a word. This rule seems to contradict itself, so I would be inclined to use the contraction. Of course there is always, “when in doubt, don’t contract.” I suppose if I was brailling this for a student, the student would understand the word either way: with the “sh” contracted or left uncontracted. Not sure if this is helpful to you or not.
Jana
September 27, 2023 at 11:15 am #40496Julie Sumwalt
ParticipantAnd apologies for *my delay! Thank you for the answer. At least I know I’m not the only one who’s confused!
Julie
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